From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. 2 years ago. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. 6,407. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. @Pr_Beyonder: immortal means unable to die of age or sickness Thor isn't coughing on him or waiting around for him to age to death he's smashng his head into chuncks of mushy brain 13 years ago. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. 13 years agoLet's leave out TOAA/Presence. There no need to insult. Basically this. Manhattan's league. Forum Posts. @laflux said: MOM. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. ago. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. Beyonder is the bigger god. 63 results. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. Going with PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. they have quite the lineup. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. 29. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. 1. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. The Crimson King. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. No chance of being omnipotent. M. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. PR beyonder. Holo-Man • 3 yr. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. 0. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. If Iron Man can. 0. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. Wiki Points. Michael Demiurge. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. Follow 23177. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. . That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. 13 years ago. Warlockmage. 0. The Presence. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. 5. 13 years ago. In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. 11 years ago. Dr. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. is TOAA, or at least part of him. #1. 313. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Reviews: 0. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Lucifer WINS. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. 2. Wiki Points. He. Wiki Points. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. I'm using universe very loosely here; we're probably on the scale of. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Beyonder saying he's omnipotent or gaining back his powers doesn't confirm his omnipotence. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. PR Beyonder. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. 11 years ago. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Reviews. ago. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. I'm not sure that PR MM is as strong as TLT because even when PR Beyonder and PR MM fought and stalemated, Beyonder as stated by MM only used a fraction of his power. Forums. 0. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. LocatiNew Comics. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Not remotely. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Forum Posts. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. I almost think they should be banned. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). One Above All (Stan Lee) Fulcrum (Jack Kirby) Living Tribunal. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. . Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. Standard equipment. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. User Lists: 0 #6 Edited By Crom-Cruach. I don't know a. Follow 3313. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. Beyonder is the bigger god. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Another thing about the. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. 815. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Jul 30, 2018. The beyonders were stated to be bound by linear time. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. deactivated-5edd330f57b65. Protege and Mad Jim Jaspers are kind of wild cards. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. I almost think they should be banned. So. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. 1958325779 • 2 yr. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. Wiki Points. Follow 2797. 14 from eithe side. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. 313. Holo-Man • 3 yr. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. 13 years. Posts. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. Round 1: No prep time. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Forum Posts. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. KingOfAsh. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. #1. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. 13 years ago. Mike+Luxy would be at least equal to PR Beyonder/Molecule Man/Mandrakk/Living Tribunal. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. 9 years ago. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Follow 25782. . TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. . The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. No, they can't adapt to. . What was he, and why was he so powerful? All i know about. 14 years ago Lance. 0. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Well, uh. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. 0. Also, what would you rank him as? A. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Side note: I'm using this version of. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. 2. There are like at least dozens DC. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. 0. Casually Oneshotting all of dc is beyond anything pr beyonder or any beyonders have ever done. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. 0. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. A . Gen. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. Take the hill. Forum Posts. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Both equally were sharing same body as explained in mutant x #32. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. BEYONDERGOD. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. PR Beyonder had every single abstract and Living Tribunal at his knees. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Followers. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. ultimatewarrior123. The Two fight in the beyond realm. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. No. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. " @Silver2467 said: "The two fought before. . Followers. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. I don't think Oblivion can be destroyed. 4 years ago. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. LT-beating omnipotent. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. Phoenix is on par with those guys. let's wait and see his actual feats. Beyonder escaped. Beyonder easily. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. PR Beyonder>PR MM>LT. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. 7 years ago. 2. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. Manhattan's league. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. Gokuisthebest. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. 1. User. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. Follow 7842. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. I hear people say HoTU Thanos = TOAA but I have my doubts, I personally think it's just a fraction of TOAA's power. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. Oblivion is just another aspect of Death and Beyonder removed her from reality just like he would Oblivion. Morals off. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. @majestic99. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. PR Beyonder shrugged of a shot that "would have slagged a few million entire dimensions" fired by the only other dude would could have leveled such a thing (PR Molecule Man). Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. COIE fully powered anti monitor was the entire DC multiverse, his reality warping and. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". Apr 2014. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. ago. Kuuko273. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. Based on Marvel’s cosmology back in the 80’s - 90’s (which I mentioned in the scalin I provided), Classic Beyonder would be Outerversal since he is ”beyond” the Marvel Multiverse. @laflux said: MOM. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. Team 1 wins.